Indie porn represents a currently flourishing sub-genre of pornography, in which well known looks from subcultures such as Gothic or Punk are oftentimes staged as anti-commercial, feminist gestures of self-empowerment. In this regard the conflicts that shaped the debates around pornography's obscenity from the sixites onwards are however avoided in favor of alternative sexual aesthetics -pornography thus loses one of its basic features. But can there ever be pornography beyond the obscene?